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how restrictive are you as far as being

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able to comment about the truth of

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what's going on in the Philippines today

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I'm not sure that even answering that is

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a smartest thing in the world I can say

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that it's a bit illustrative of the

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what's going on worldwide in the

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Philippines presumably because it is

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very hot here it is very humid here and

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it is very sunny here this is not an

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ideal country for covin 19 and you end

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for that reason I would guess we have

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very few cases and almost no deaths

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we're running we've been running at

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about 10 deaths a day for a country of a

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hundred and nine million people well

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that's essentially zero but the lockdown

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the quarantine here is about as severe

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as any place in the world and describe

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that for us quickly well we're very

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restricted by quarantine cards we can

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only go within certain boundaries is

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that on your phone in some way is that

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is there an app on your phone that is

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tracking you in some well no it's just

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the piece of paper that if you're smart

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you laminate because after nine weeks a

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piece of paper would have fallen apart

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so you're restricted to where you can go

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there's a curfew at 8 o'clock we have no

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transportation unless you have your own

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there are no cabs running there's no

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not run there's no mass transportation

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so basically even if you can leave your

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house there's no place you can't get to

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where you would want to go and there's

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nothing open only drug stores and

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grocery stores are open and how is the

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communication there from the government

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as you see I'm sure here we got cuomo

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every morning on doing his

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one-hour conference Trump's on you know

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24/7 you've got Newsom in Garcetti here

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in California on every day are they

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communicating in this same way in the

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Philippines no it's very sparse every

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few days they might release something

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but literally within a few hours they

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might take it back and people take

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advantage of that unfortunately the

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people to post false things on social

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media like crazy and they will take

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official documents here and they'll just

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change things like like dates you know

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things like that you know the quarantine

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will now be extended till and you don't

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know if it's real or not so it's it's

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it's kind of crazy here and how would

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you describe people there are they

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relatively compliant yeah to say the

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least remember this place was a Spanish

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colony for 350 years and the Spanish

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they always ruled with the jackboot

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wherever they went then the United

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States took over in 1898 it was a u.s.

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colony for about 50 years but that

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didn't really have much impact and then

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the Japanese took over for four years so

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they were under the Japanese jackboot so

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they've been trained basically for about

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four centuries to be compliant so you're

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not gonna get the kind of rallies

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demonstrations protests that you get in

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places like the United States it's just

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not going to happen and if they were to

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occur they wouldn't have been there

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wouldn't be looked upon too highly by

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those in charge no they wouldn't and and

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what about the economy I mean I assume

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this is extremely destructive to their

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economy like it is these other countries

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what kind of shape is the Philippines in

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to be able to handle this well among

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other things 9% of GDP here is from

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tourism outside tourism what percent

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that's good

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ninety percent nine mm-hmm that's gone

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no tourism they say for the for the rest

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of the year one hopes that that's an

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exaggeration but you can't you can't

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just lose nine percent and and not have

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a severe impact telecommuting here is

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very rare because we don't have I have

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Wi-Fi here but that's actually very rare

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most people just update of plans so they

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can't tell it communicate remember when

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I told you about transportation even if

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their job is still open they probably

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can't get to it but their job probably

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isn't open this is going to absolutely

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devastate the the Filipino economy and

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it's already having a very severe impact

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unfortunately on the the average person

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are they sending out free money to

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people like they are here in America yes

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some money but no not like you know

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America know very very little it depends

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on the area and then bags of rice and

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some canned goods these people are being

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there at truly subsistence level like

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like Americans can't even understand so

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you would I mean America is in a unique

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position as far as having the world's

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currency and being very wealthy and

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being able to essentially print print

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its way out of this print money to help

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us out of this countries like

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Philippines it seems to me do not have

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that ability so you would think that

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they would be the ones really leading

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the charge to reopen recognizing that

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they just can't sustain the kind of

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economic damage that they're doing to

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themselves you're right and I can't go

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into the reasons for that well but the

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Philippines certainly isn't unique we

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have something that seems to be

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worldwide and as as skeptical as I am

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about government's response to this and

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essentially being a gross overreaction

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and I think in general you share that

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view and we'll get into that I

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you check myself sometimes and think but

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gosh how could every one of these

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countries all be wrong you know

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mmm I and others that think long lines

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that I do that say that this is a huge

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government overreaction and they're just

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taking the absolute wrong approach to

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this yet it almost seems like everyone

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is wrong except for perhaps Sweden yeah

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there are a few outliers not just Sweden

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Iceland basically didn't walk down South

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Korea did very little in the way of

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locking down Taiwan did very little in a

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way of locking down and the interesting

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thing is that I and others who are much

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better at analyzing these things than I

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am we find no pattern we find for

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example let's look at Sweden Sweden has

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done almost nothing in terms of locking

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down at first they restricted gatherings

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to 500 people that's not much of a

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restriction it means no football games

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no a pecan certs except is currently in

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hiatus anyway there's been talk about a

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comeback though yeah they're coming back

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then they restricted that the 50 people

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well that's that's still a lot of people

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who can get together they closed almost

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no restaurants they didn't close the

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bars very importantly they didn't close

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they're great schools their little kids

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have been going to school the whole time

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Sweden's deaths are below Belgium the

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United Kingdom France Spain Italy those

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are major European countries well but

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hold on a second there's been a lot of

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reports and you know everybody's texting

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all kinds of things these days the

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latest reports I've gotten multiple

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texts from my progressive friends who

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think that you know the u.s. hasn't done

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enough to stop this about Sweden and

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their death rate of late and that and I

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and I read them and it appeared to be

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accurate that their death rate per

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capita now is exceeding most if not all

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of Europe now

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social media or anything like that well

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this is the mainstream articles because

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trust me well when we say mainstream

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news I mean that's the New York Times

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but we all know that New York Times has

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its own bent and that bottom line in the

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u.s. the breakdown is CNN MSNBC

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and the generally speaking liberal press

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want you know talk about this thing you

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know the u.s. hasn't been doing enough

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they're on the side that we need to

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continue to lock down and then your Fox

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News and conservative outlets are saying

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that you know this is an overreaction so

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for the New York Times or I think this

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was actually the San Francisco Chronicle

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well we already know that there's some

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bias there but still the numbers are the

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numbers so I don't know what numbers are

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you seeing and from what sources various

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sites one is called world oh meters

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European Center for Disease Control

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there are numerous websites you can go

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to to get the direct data okay so in the

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most so I'm all just trust you on this

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so the most recent news after you

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checking those on deaths per capita

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which is the most important measure

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where does Sweden rank among the Western

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European countries it is it's definitely

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higher than most European countries or

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most Western European countries but I

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think it's very important to note it is

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vastly below Belgium Italy and Spain and

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it's actually still well below that of

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the United Kingdom and France and these

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are all major countries we're not

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talking like Slovenia or Slovakia which

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you know relatively tiny countries yeah

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I think look density of a country is

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critical I think that's the one thing

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we've seen through all this primarily

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high density a bit of a problem lower

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density Los Angeles not a problem at all

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Center of the problem in California even

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though our rates are just incredibly

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incredibly low but see clearly you see a

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correlation between population density

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and the virus yes you make a good point

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there will never be a controlled study

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you will never have like a drug study

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where you have one set of lab rats and

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you have a control set of lab rats and

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they give the one set the drug and you

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give the other set the placebo and in

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fact it would be double blinded meaning

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sounds strange enough the rats don't

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know whether they giving the drug or the

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placebo but neither does it neither do

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they yet the scientists it's called a

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double blinded study that is your ideal

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study you're not gonna get that when

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you're comparing countries we're not

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talking lab rats we're talking human

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beings each country is gonna have a

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different density it's going to have

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different cultures for example the

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Swedes and southern Italians are going

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to interact differently

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Swedes urquhart are going to be a colder

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people and nothing against them southern

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earth so you can expect southern

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Italians to be more doing more hugging

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and kissing and all that and sweets

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especially during the winter are gonna

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be doing less you're gonna have climate

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differences I already discussed that the

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climate situation in the Philippines

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which is a very bad climate for the

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virus conversely Sweden of course is a

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very cold dry country and really an

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ideal place for the virus itself to be

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spreading so you have all of these

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different variables you can't do a a one

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to one comparison I'm just saying if you

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look at Sweden and the other outliers

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like Iceland like Taiwan like South

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Korea we really don't see a pattern

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between locking down and death rates

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if lockdowns work if they do and

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Sweden's not locking down that means

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basically their front loading their

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desks they're getting deaths now that

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other countries are gonna get when they

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unlock so it may not be fair to compare

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Swedish deaths the other countries

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deaths at all oh that's that's not I'm

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an absolute agreement on that you until

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this thing is all said and done we're in

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the middle who knows what inning we're

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in but we're in the middle of the game

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here so what their death rate is now is

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really somewhat irrelevant I would say

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that well of course their death rate is

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gonna be higher because they didn't lock

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down subscribing to the idea that

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locking em probably does help prevent

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the spread but they're playing the long

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game because are you gonna stay lockdown

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until there's a quote-unquote cure which

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we don't know if it will ever come but

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the mayor in Los Angeles Garcetti has is

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on record saying restrictions will stay

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in place until we find a cure so he is

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at least acknowledged the moving of the

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goal posts the original goal posts were

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locked down to not overwhelm the

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healthcare system and then start

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releasing you know as long as there's

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not that problem well we haven't

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overwhelmed the healthcare system

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anywhere in America except arguably New

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York but even there I think there's it's

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debatable yet they're not easing the

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restrictions or we're doing it extremely

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slowly and we're now learning that's

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because they want to keep the

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restrictions in place until there's a

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cure so if that's if that's the new

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strategy then that totally changes the

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calculus of everything yes it's

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important to keep in mind that only one

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virus has ever been cured hepatitis C it

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took decades of research before we could

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do that it's also incredibly expensive

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so a cure isn't even that's not on the

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board

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well vaccine though ok vaccine is

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different I think that's what he's

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referring to some of these people

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actually use the word cure he

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he used the word cure he did the mayor

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but I think in his mind he means vaccine

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okay then let's talk about vaccines the

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flu back we have a flu vaccine every

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year it actually comprises three

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different strains of flu but as many as

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60,000 Americans still died of flu every

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year because it's not a perfect vaccine

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all vaccines in fact are to an extent

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age dependent the older you are the less

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effective the vaccine

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what demographic group does kovat 19

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affect the most the elderly so the

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elderly are going to be the least

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protected by a Kovan 19 vaccine I don't

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care what they come up with and I don't

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care how fast they come up with it so a

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vaccine is not gonna wipe this disease

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out basically but we can't expect this

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disease to be wiped out it's going to be

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right now it's what's called epidemic

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level shortly it will go down to what's

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called endemic level which means you

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know not high rates it means a low rate

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but it's still gonna be out there and so

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if you're waiting for the virus to go

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away we could be waiting a few decades

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yeah and that's the way in which Sweden

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ultimately is gonna come out of this

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looking smart because there is no cure

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for it

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there is no guaranteed vaccine even if

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it comes it's gonna come way down the

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road it's not gonna necessarily be a

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hundred percent effective are you gonna

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mandate the three hundred million people

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in the u.s. take the vaccine I can tell

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you my mom and my sister ain't taken

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that vaccine there's some people that

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are very anti vaccine for their own

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personal reasons and and so be it but

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you would have to mandate that everybody

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take it so the only way out of this

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thing it seems to me is to allow it to

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spread through the community and make

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sure it doesn't overwhelm the healthcare

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system but that's about all you can do

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and yes we'd maybe ahead on the death

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rate right now but unless America plans

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on staying locked down for the next 18

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months

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we're gonna get there on the death-rate

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right the virus is gonna is gonna do

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what the virus is gonna do nobody in

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history has ever quarantined a virus to

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death and guess what we're not gonna be

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the first

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it just takes incredible hubris to think

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that we are gonna be the first that

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we're gonna lock up healthy people long

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enough to wipe out of a virus now mind

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you some viruses disappear on their own

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in fact a sister virus SARS did in fact

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disappear in July of the of 2003 SARS

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disappeared but serves was a different

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coronavirus there are many different

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corner viruses it was it basically

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embedded much deeper in the lungs it was

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more susceptible to disappearing where

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is this cove in nineteen likes to live

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basically in the throat and so it's much

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less likely to simply disappear I won't

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say it won't disappear I'm saying it

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almost certainly won't MERS that was

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another coronavirus and it disappeared

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as well so this might disappear but you

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know a lot of colds are are caused by

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corona viruses and they don't disappear

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they come back year after year after

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year so we can't just presume that this

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virus will disappear it would be nice if

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it would what do you think about the

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contagiousness of it you know the early

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reports are contagiousness is much more

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contagious than the flu much more deadly

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than the flu but speaking of Sweden

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we're hearing now out of there that

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they're surprised by the percentage of

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people at this point that have got it

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they're estimating it now at only like

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seven to eight percent of Swedes have

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had this virus at some point they

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thought it was gonna be much higher by

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this point I think some people were

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expecting that the antibody tests that

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meaning you don't have it now but you

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had it which shows somewhere around 50

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to 60 percent of Swedes would have would

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have been infected by now and you're

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right it's a fraction of that

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so this does not appear to be more

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contagious than than your typical season

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influenza seasonal influenza as far as

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the fatality rate goes the CDC actually

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just a few days ago released a report on

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that and their best estimate was the

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fatality rate is not three point four

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percent as the w-h-o originally

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estimated based on early Chinese data

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from crummy Chinese hospitals they sell

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out extrapolate of that to the whole

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world

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rather it's appears to be around 0.26

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percent now mind you seasonal flu is

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thought to be around half of that so

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okay it appears that kovat is about

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twice as fatal for case as typical

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seasonal flu so sorry let me make sure I

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get the number right so point

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essentially 0.26% about a quarter

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percent is the rate in that CDC and is

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that an American stat or is that a world

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stat or that's the world's that okay

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because I I've been trying to get that

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figure on my own through doing

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calculations of New York reporting their

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antibody test results in extrapolating

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like for instance they say over 20

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percent of New York people in New York

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City have had it in Los Angeles they say

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I think they're saying somewhere run I'm

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kind of guessing there but some around

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five percent people have had it

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and when I've extrapolated I found like

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a point eight percent number in New York

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and a point five percent number in LA

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County but you're citing a number even

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lower than that at that point is such a

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quarter percent right which as I said

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that's about double of typical seasonal

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flu however the Asian flu of 1950

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straight nine

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57 1958 was estimated to have a

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mortality rate of 0.76 percent perhaps

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three times what cope it has now a lot

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of people did in fact die from that flu

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because it had a very high mortality

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rate the vaccines did not work that year

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but but the question is did we did we

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shred the Constitution for that Asian

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flu T yeah a little bit for our time we

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only weren't quite born yet but as I

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recall we didn't shred the Constitution

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we didn't make everybody wear masks we

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didn't shut down businesses and mass

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basically life just went on in the late

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1950s despite what turned out to be a

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fairly bad flu then there was another

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one that did in fact occur during my

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lifetime although I was very young

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that was the Hong Kong flu from 60 68 to

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69 it's an exceptionally high death rate

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much higher than the death rate we're

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saying from covin 19 were people wearing

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masks I'm old enough that I would

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remember that I've got a good yeah good

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memory I remember things from when I was

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four I would remember the people wearing

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that they weren't wearing masks they

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weren't shutting down businesses

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constitutional rights were not suspended

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there we didn't go into a recession such

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as the recession we've already gone into

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that didn't happen for two worst

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influences than we're suffering now

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something very different is going on now

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and it's not the virus all right I'm

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ready for the answer what is different

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about our response to this virus versus

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the ones you cite or why why the

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difference it's us it's the reaction and

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I think a few things have been going on

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here one is they've been working on this

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by they I mean

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the public health people the media

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they've been working on this since aids

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which was the the first epidemic that's

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that's where I kind of ground my teeth

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beginning in 1987 I wrote a book on it I

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wrote countless articles you may recall

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we were told the the disease of them is

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suddenly the disease of us aids doesn't

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discriminate on and on and on and it was

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off it was all fake aids was always a

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disease of gay men intravenous drug

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users and originally recipients of blood

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and blood products it was always that

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way it remains that way in the United

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States today these people lied I mean

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this does not polite way of saying they

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lied because they thought they were

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doing you know the Lord the Lord's work

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they decided that to the extent that

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aids was seen as a disease of

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undesirables it wouldn't get the kind of

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attention and money it deserved and I

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will grant them this they were

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incredibly successful to this day AIDS

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is the second biggest line item in the

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National Institutes of Health Research

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budget even though AIDS in the United

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States kills virtually nobody anymore

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you know the big killers are cancer

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heart disease anything you can name that

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kills people kills more people than AIDS

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in the United States yeah let me know

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number two yeah let me just tag onto

547
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:15,639
that with a little anecdotal story

548
00:26:21,329 --> 00:26:17,440
because I don't think you're diminishing

549
00:26:26,699 --> 00:26:21,339
what it was that it was a major problem

550
00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:26,709
at at a time but due to medicine etc the

551
00:26:32,489 --> 00:26:28,929
extent of the problem now is far far far

552
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:32,499
lower yet these federal programs still

553
00:26:35,339 --> 00:26:34,089
remain in my little anecdotal story I

554
00:26:37,739 --> 00:26:35,349
just happen to be flying on a plane with

555
00:26:39,629 --> 00:26:37,749
a guy and this was about ten years ago

556
00:26:40,590 --> 00:26:39,639
during the the recession of ten years

557
00:26:42,540 --> 00:26:40,600
ago

558
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:42,550
he was running some federal department

559
00:26:48,030 --> 00:26:45,730
that provides housing for aids people

560
00:26:50,460 --> 00:26:48,040
with AIDS or HIV provides housing for

561
00:26:53,100 --> 00:26:50,470
them well when it was a death sentence

562
00:26:55,140 --> 00:26:53,110
that was a very important thing to have

563
00:26:57,330 --> 00:26:55,150
a place for them to live you know but it

564
00:26:59,700 --> 00:26:57,340
was a death sentence nobody's dying from

565
00:27:01,560 --> 00:26:59,710
it anymore to speak of it yet we still

566
00:27:03,360 --> 00:27:01,570
have this housing I said I said Wow well

567
00:27:04,620 --> 00:27:03,370
your budget you know these are tough

568
00:27:06,180 --> 00:27:04,630
times you probably haven't tough times

569
00:27:08,370 --> 00:27:06,190
with your buddy you just know we just

570
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:08,380
got a budget increase this past year so

571
00:27:12,450 --> 00:27:10,090
the Fed will get you once you put a

572
00:27:14,970 --> 00:27:12,460
program in place getting rid of it we

573
00:27:17,580 --> 00:27:14,980
all know is next to impossible so more

574
00:27:20,610 --> 00:27:17,590
and more money keeps going into federal

575
00:27:23,610 --> 00:27:20,620
aids programs despite the fact that it

576
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:23,620
is no longer a death sentence right it's

577
00:27:29,430 --> 00:27:26,250
actually this under the Ryan White Act

578
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:29,440
which yes was inaugurated back when AIDS

579
00:27:33,770 --> 00:27:31,210
was a death sentence but it keeps

580
00:27:36,590 --> 00:27:33,780
getting renewed every five years and it

581
00:27:40,770 --> 00:27:36,600
it's a little bit like there was a a

582
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:40,780
spanish-american war tax imposed in 1898

583
00:27:47,610 --> 00:27:44,770
and it wasn't repealed until the last

584
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:47,620
decade or so ago these things they they

585
00:27:53,850 --> 00:27:51,010
just they you know it's it's it's called

586
00:27:55,620 --> 00:27:53,860
new Newton's law of inertia yeah a body

587
00:27:57,390 --> 00:27:55,630
and motion tends to stay in motion

588
00:27:59,850 --> 00:27:57,400
unless something from the outside

589
00:28:03,090 --> 00:27:59,860
interrupts it which is also actually

590
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:03,100
going on with the lockdown when you

591
00:28:05,730 --> 00:28:05,200
think about it you mean you stated it

592
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:05,740
perfectly

593
00:28:14,220 --> 00:28:09,510
the initial idea of the lockdowns of

594
00:28:17,220 --> 00:28:14,230
flattening the curve was never that we

595
00:28:19,890 --> 00:28:17,230
would get pure deaths or cases out of it

596
00:28:21,780 --> 00:28:19,900
never know you're not gonna eliminate

597
00:28:24,390 --> 00:28:21,790
that any part of the curve you're gonna

598
00:28:28,050 --> 00:28:24,400
flatten it you're gonna stretch out the

599
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:28,060
cases so that we wouldn't overwhelm the

600
00:28:34,470 --> 00:28:31,570
healthcare system once we we scored that

601
00:28:36,870 --> 00:28:34,480
goal as it were they had to move the

602
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:36,880
goalposts because to a great extent it

603
00:28:41,180 --> 00:28:39,340
was simply a matter of inertia nobody

604
00:28:43,860 --> 00:28:41,190
thought about well what are we gonna do

605
00:28:47,070 --> 00:28:43,870
once we scored the goal and so we just

606
00:28:50,790 --> 00:28:47,080
keep going we just keep mindlessly going

607
00:28:53,220 --> 00:28:50,800
and going going yeah and it is mindless

608
00:28:54,030 --> 00:28:53,230
because I keep asking people okay if not

609
00:28:57,630 --> 00:28:54,040
now

610
00:28:59,970 --> 00:28:57,640
when right that is the question about

611
00:29:01,950 --> 00:28:59,980
any lockdown right now or for that

612
00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:01,960
matter visiting your parents I'm gonna

613
00:29:05,130 --> 00:29:03,850
go visit my parents are in their 80s or

614
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:05,140
live in Arizona in a retirement

615
00:29:07,590 --> 00:29:06,370
community and I'm gonna see him next

616
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:07,600
week and there was a big debate among

617
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:09,610
the family as to whether we should see

618
00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:12,370
them on my own like well if not now when

619
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:15,430
are they gonna not see their family for

620
00:29:21,270 --> 00:29:18,010
two years as we wait for this so-called

621
00:29:23,910 --> 00:29:21,280
cure or if it to go away which may never

622
00:29:25,590 --> 00:29:23,920
happen and they're in their 80s and so

623
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:25,600
we're gonna keep extending and extending

624
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:30,330
and extending so they had a

625
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:32,890
well-thought-out arguably goal which is

626
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:34,570
not overwhelming the health care system

627
00:29:38,730 --> 00:29:36,490
and I even say that you know what

628
00:29:40,500 --> 00:29:38,740
suspending some constitutional rights to

629
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:40,510
make sure people aren't dying in the

630
00:29:45,780 --> 00:29:42,760
streets because we're so overwhelmed

631
00:29:48,930 --> 00:29:45,790
okay I kind of get that maybe the but

632
00:29:51,210 --> 00:29:48,940
the the mirror objective of limiting the

633
00:29:53,970 --> 00:29:51,220
number of people who get sick as a

634
00:29:57,060 --> 00:29:53,980
reason for locking people down no no no

635
00:29:58,860 --> 00:29:57,070
no no I mean we'd be locking people down

636
00:30:02,100 --> 00:29:58,870
for all kinds of reasons you know for

637
00:30:04,740 --> 00:30:02,110
drug addiction and for car accidents and

638
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:04,750
so on and obviously that's not a proper

639
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:07,330
ground so as you just pointed out

640
00:30:11,460 --> 00:30:09,010
they've moved the goalposts

641
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:11,470
but nobody will tell us where it's been

642
00:30:16,950 --> 00:30:14,650
moved to yeah except perhaps again the

643
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:16,960
LA mayor I wrote about this recent op-ed

644
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:18,730
you know he's the one who's come clean

645
00:30:23,100 --> 00:30:20,650
and said that the goalposts now has been

646
00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:23,110
moved to to a cure but let's go back to

647
00:30:27,450 --> 00:30:25,390
age and so it's so complete the parallel

648
00:30:29,310 --> 00:30:27,460
that you're making between how we

649
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:29,320
approach that versus what you're seeing

650
00:30:35,130 --> 00:30:33,250
today my point was the bad guys as I

651
00:30:40,050 --> 00:30:35,140
call them they don't see themselves as

652
00:30:41,940 --> 00:30:40,060
bad guys but they were liars and they

653
00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:41,950
intentionally lied and they got away

654
00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:45,250
with it they got away with it beyond

655
00:30:49,020 --> 00:30:47,560
their wildest dreams the ends justified

656
00:30:49,950 --> 00:30:49,030
the means in their mind though because

657
00:30:53,550 --> 00:30:49,960
they didn't want this to be a

658
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:53,560
stigmatized community the gays etc and

659
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:55,450
so they said let's pretend like this

660
00:30:58,920 --> 00:30:57,730
affects everyone equally I totally agree

661
00:31:00,990 --> 00:30:58,930
with you and I've always thought that

662
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:01,000
and you've proven it with your book so

663
00:31:07,710 --> 00:31:04,210
okay keep going but it's not just the

664
00:31:10,049 --> 00:31:07,720
idea it's the people themselves

665
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,059
because two of the biggest culprits

666
00:31:16,409 --> 00:31:12,880
perhaps you've heard their names were

667
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:16,419
Anthony foul G and Robert Redfield if

668
00:31:24,779 --> 00:31:21,120
you look at my book my 1990 book

669
00:31:29,070 --> 00:31:24,789
Redfield is on 24 different pages of my

670
00:31:32,210 --> 00:31:29,080
book vouchers on or rather fewer pages

671
00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:32,220
but foul she actually kicked off

672
00:31:40,260 --> 00:31:35,860
basically the hysteria with a paper that

673
00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:40,270
he's solely authored in 1983 saying it

674
00:31:46,380 --> 00:31:43,289
looked like aids could be spread through

675
00:31:48,690 --> 00:31:46,390
basically like a flu if you be spread

676
00:31:52,500 --> 00:31:48,700
within a family he published that paper

677
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:52,510
in 1983 the very next year he was

678
00:31:59,789 --> 00:31:56,409
appointed to his current position at the

679
00:32:02,520 --> 00:31:59,799
National infectious National Institute

680
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:02,530
of allergies and infectious diseases

681
00:32:08,250 --> 00:32:04,770
that was his reward for being

682
00:32:09,029 --> 00:32:08,260
spectacularly wrong but wrong in the

683
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:09,039
right direction

684
00:32:13,649 --> 00:32:12,880
he was alarmist ly wrong Redfield was

685
00:32:16,169 --> 00:32:13,659
wrong

686
00:32:18,899 --> 00:32:16,179
basically just across the board

687
00:32:21,510 --> 00:32:18,909
including co-authoring a paper that said

688
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:21,520
your chance of getting AIDS through

689
00:32:30,990 --> 00:32:25,870
vaginal contact was fifty percent per

690
00:32:33,539 --> 00:32:31,000
sex act so basically after three acts of

691
00:32:35,070 --> 00:32:33,549
sex between a man and woman if one or

692
00:32:37,770 --> 00:32:35,080
the other had HIV

693
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:37,780
the other would get it that's that's

694
00:32:42,450 --> 00:32:40,090
insane it's it's probably on the order

695
00:32:45,510 --> 00:32:42,460
of thousands of acts of intercourse

696
00:32:47,700 --> 00:32:45,520
thousands so Redfield was spectacularly

697
00:32:50,789 --> 00:32:47,710
wrong thought she was spectacularly

698
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:50,799
wrong thought she is now one of the two

699
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:52,799
top

700
00:32:59,399 --> 00:32:55,210
infectious disease people in the country

701
00:33:01,680 --> 00:32:59,409
and Redfield is the other one it pays to

702
00:33:04,049 --> 00:33:01,690
be spectacularly wrong if you're wrong

703
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:04,059
in the right direction so my point in

704
00:33:10,110 --> 00:33:07,450
bringing was bringing all this up is the

705
00:33:13,110 --> 00:33:10,120
bad guys as I put Public Health people

706
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:13,120
the media they learn from AIDS that you

707
00:33:18,539 --> 00:33:15,570
cannot just get away with this but

708
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:18,549
spectacularly so so we have seen it time

709
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:21,410
and again since we saw with AV

710
00:33:24,460 --> 00:33:23,450
it was supposed to kill millions and

711
00:33:28,180 --> 00:33:24,470
millions of people

712
00:33:29,950 --> 00:33:28,190
he kills 400 we saw it with SARS it was

713
00:33:34,390 --> 00:33:29,960
supposed to kill millions and millions

714
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:34,400
of people he killed 744 we saw with mad

715
00:33:40,350 --> 00:33:37,010
cow disease that a guy named Neil

716
00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:40,360
Ferguson said would kill as many as

717
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:43,460
50,000 people it killed a couple of

718
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:46,730
hundred Neil Ferguson also weighed in on

719
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:50,450
avian flu a couple million there again

720
00:33:56,530 --> 00:33:53,450
it kills about 400 people yeah that's

721
00:34:00,820 --> 00:33:56,540
the same Neil Ferguson that came up with

722
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:00,830
the model saying as many as 2.2 million

723
00:34:08,350 --> 00:34:04,970
American deaths from Kovan 19 Neil

724
00:34:11,290 --> 00:34:08,360
Ferguson personally learned that the

725
00:34:15,370 --> 00:34:11,300
more outrageous you are the more wrong

726
00:34:18,030 --> 00:34:15,380
you are the more you are rewarded all of

727
00:34:22,570 --> 00:34:18,040
these people have been taught Ebola one

728
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:22,580
Ebola - I mean I Zika virus I wrote

729
00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:25,130
about all of these things I was right

730
00:34:31,270 --> 00:34:27,980
they were wrong look where I am look

731
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:31,280
where they are we each in every fo

732
00:34:36,909 --> 00:34:34,130
epidemic each and every for disaster

733
00:34:39,310 --> 00:34:36,919
these people learned we can get away

734
00:34:42,190 --> 00:34:39,320
with this well and also aren't doctors

735
00:34:44,980 --> 00:34:42,200
in general just kind of predisposed to

736
00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:44,990
give you worst case scenario and and

737
00:34:48,460 --> 00:34:46,580
that's kind of what they're doing they

738
00:34:50,590 --> 00:34:48,470
want to err on the side of worst-case

739
00:34:52,060 --> 00:34:50,600
scenario because you know if you

740
00:34:54,700 --> 00:34:52,070
underestimate it something

741
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:54,710
now you're really heads on a chopping

742
00:34:59,410 --> 00:34:57,680
block but if you overestimated it you

743
00:35:02,080 --> 00:34:59,420
know we erred on the side of extra

744
00:35:05,230 --> 00:35:02,090
caution everybody's gonna cut you some

745
00:35:07,330 --> 00:35:05,240
slack is well okay thank God it didn't

746
00:35:08,820 --> 00:35:07,340
turn out to be that bad but we erred on

747
00:35:12,850 --> 00:35:08,830
the side of caution

748
00:35:15,370 --> 00:35:12,860
last is the additional factor of you

749
00:35:17,470 --> 00:35:15,380
always see this they say the only reason

750
00:35:20,470 --> 00:35:17,480
it didn't turn out to be apocalyptic

751
00:35:23,470 --> 00:35:20,480
like we said it would be is because we

752
00:35:25,690 --> 00:35:23,480
said it would be a Bach elliptic because

753
00:35:28,150 --> 00:35:25,700
people listen to us and they took the

754
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:28,160
proper actions and that's never been the

755
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:32,090
case what what incredible things did we

756
00:35:37,930 --> 00:35:35,210
do to fight Ebola nothing

757
00:35:40,810 --> 00:35:37,940
really Ebola was always an African

758
00:35:45,220 --> 00:35:40,820
disease it was always slated to remain

759
00:35:47,770 --> 00:35:45,230
an african disease a few cases I came by

760
00:35:52,140 --> 00:35:47,780
airplane to other countries and and

761
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:52,150
nobody got infected from those few cases

762
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:56,000
SARS was always had a high lethality

763
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:01,280
rate was very very hard to spread just

764
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:02,690
on and on and on

765
00:36:10,390 --> 00:36:07,849
I personally wrote at the time these

766
00:36:11,650 --> 00:36:10,400
things are exaggerated these predictions

767
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:11,660
are false

768
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,170
I didn't write in hindsight I was right

769
00:36:22,540 --> 00:36:17,839
they were all wrong how is it that mic

770
00:36:25,329 --> 00:36:22,550
fomento with no formal epidemiological

771
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:25,339
training no no formal very logical

772
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:27,290
training or anything like that how was

773
00:36:31,660 --> 00:36:29,330
it I was right and they were all wrong

774
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:31,670
with their their degrees and their

775
00:36:36,490 --> 00:36:33,770
positions and what-have-you and it

776
00:36:38,650 --> 00:36:36,500
really comes down to you know a couple

777
00:36:41,620 --> 00:36:38,660
of things I hate being wrong it's just

778
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:41,630
it's a OCD thing it just drives me nuts

779
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:43,970
I will put in any amount of research to

780
00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:47,330
not be wrong but another thing is I want

781
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:48,890
to be right I want to tell people the

782
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,650
truth whatever it happens to be they

783
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:53,359
don't want to be right they don't want

784
00:36:57,460 --> 00:36:55,490
itself be people the truth whatever it

785
00:36:59,800 --> 00:36:57,470
happens to be they want to exaggerate

786
00:37:02,230 --> 00:36:59,810
and isn't the other parallel to AIDS

787
00:37:04,950 --> 00:37:02,240
that just as with AIDS they wanted to

788
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:04,960
make it appear that anyone can get this

789
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:09,050
with coronavirus it appears very clear

790
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:10,730
it affects the elderly and people with

791
00:37:15,310 --> 00:37:12,560
serious pre-existing health conditions

792
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:15,320
but they don't want people to think that

793
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:17,630
all know this is just an elderly thing

794
00:37:21,790 --> 00:37:19,250
it's just people with health conditions

795
00:37:24,930 --> 00:37:21,800
and so they exaggerate how much it

796
00:37:27,339 --> 00:37:24,940
affects your average healthy person

797
00:37:30,130 --> 00:37:27,349
right you see it in the slogans like

798
00:37:32,130 --> 00:37:30,140
we're all in this together it's just

799
00:37:34,660 --> 00:37:32,140
like a it's AIDS doesn't discriminate

800
00:37:35,230 --> 00:37:34,670
for Kovan it's we're all in this

801
00:37:41,050 --> 00:37:35,240
together

802
00:37:45,339 --> 00:37:41,060
nobody in the United States under age 20

803
00:37:48,130 --> 00:37:45,349
has died of COBIT under age 20 you are

804
00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:48,140
less likely to get the disease you are

805
00:37:51,490 --> 00:37:48,980
less likely

806
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:51,500
just spread the disease a lot of people

807
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:53,510
don't know that and you're much less

808
00:37:57,970 --> 00:37:55,850
likely to die of the disease almost no

809
00:38:00,280 --> 00:37:57,980
chance of dying of COBIT if you're under

810
00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:00,290
20 for that matter of you're under 30

811
00:38:04,840 --> 00:38:02,270
there's almost no chance of die of the

812
00:38:09,910 --> 00:38:04,850
disease it's basically you know by the

813
00:38:12,010 --> 00:38:09,920
time he up to 60 65 75 80 that's when

814
00:38:15,250 --> 00:38:12,020
your risks start to get real and even

815
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:15,260
there as you pointed out almost all of

816
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:17,020
these people have pre-existing

817
00:38:22,450 --> 00:38:20,720
conditions diabetes heart disease as a

818
00:38:27,130 --> 00:38:22,460
lot of things like that

819
00:38:32,620 --> 00:38:27,140
the CDC this is also a new CDC study has

820
00:38:35,260 --> 00:38:32,630
found that 93% of all Coppa deaths in

821
00:38:37,930 --> 00:38:35,270
the United States those people had at

822
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:37,940
least one pre-existing condition and

823
00:38:45,220 --> 00:38:42,170
often two three or even more so you can

824
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:45,230
be almost as old as you want but so long

825
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:47,450
as you don't have something bad else

826
00:38:52,570 --> 00:38:50,210
else going on you're still probably not

827
00:38:55,780 --> 00:38:52,580
gonna die and it also explains why

828
00:38:58,180 --> 00:38:55,790
progressive politicians go for the lock

829
00:39:00,250 --> 00:38:58,190
down because they love equality they

830
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:00,260
love the utopian notion that everybody

831
00:39:06,090 --> 00:39:03,290
is the same they don't like that one

832
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:06,100
group is differentiated from another so

833
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:08,510
even if it's true that it affects old

834
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:11,810
people or it affects sick people so what

835
00:39:15,849 --> 00:39:14,210
we're all in this together lock everyone

836
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:15,859
down they've got no problem with that

837
00:39:20,580 --> 00:39:18,410
yeah and unfortunately we smacked right

838
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:20,590
into the wall of unintended consequences

839
00:39:26,580 --> 00:39:24,290
what we have found is that among those

840
00:39:30,180 --> 00:39:26,590
people who have died of kovat an

841
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:30,190
incredible percentage are people in

842
00:39:36,250 --> 00:39:34,730
nursing facilities I did I might be

843
00:39:38,770 --> 00:39:36,260
confusing this with another country but

844
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:38,780
I'm guessing for the United States it's

845
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:43,280
around 40% of it's not a gas it's gonna

846
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:45,770
be around 40% I don't have the data in

847
00:39:50,380 --> 00:39:47,930
front of me of people who have died of

848
00:39:53,349 --> 00:39:50,390
kovat in the United States have been in

849
00:39:58,599 --> 00:39:53,359
nursing facilities this is incredible

850
00:40:01,540 --> 00:39:58,609
it's incredible negligence really we so

851
00:40:02,350 --> 00:40:01,550
by pretending that we're all at equal

852
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:02,360
risk

853
00:40:09,730 --> 00:40:05,330
we have failed to protect those who are

854
00:40:13,210 --> 00:40:09,740
most at risk and what is the explanation

855
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:13,220
though again for why this has become

856
00:40:18,340 --> 00:40:16,610
what it's become today compared to the

857
00:40:20,290 --> 00:40:18,350
US and the world's response to those

858
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:20,300
other viruses that you were talking

859
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:22,400
about earlier what's your explanation as

860
00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:24,770
to why we reacted so differently this

861
00:40:32,650 --> 00:40:30,020
time I have a few theories and they're

862
00:40:35,500 --> 00:40:32,660
really you know when when I'm talking

863
00:40:37,780 --> 00:40:35,510
data I'll tell you I'm talking data when

864
00:40:41,050 --> 00:40:37,790
I'm talking theory I will tell you I'm

865
00:40:44,110 --> 00:40:41,060
talking theory one theory is they have

866
00:40:47,650 --> 00:40:44,120
been building up over time they were

867
00:40:50,950 --> 00:40:47,660
successful with hiv/aids they were

868
00:40:54,610 --> 00:40:50,960
successful with scaring the crap out of

869
00:40:58,270 --> 00:40:54,620
people over avian flu over SARS over

870
00:41:02,770 --> 00:40:58,280
Ebola won over Ebola to over Zika virus

871
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:02,780
and probably a few few history is that I

872
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,490
fought that I don't even remember

873
00:41:12,340 --> 00:41:06,640
anymore because there have been so many

874
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:12,350
they've kept being successful and so

875
00:41:18,970 --> 00:41:16,970
they've learned from each and it what

876
00:41:21,720 --> 00:41:18,980
works and what doesn't for example with

877
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:21,730
Ebola the whu-oh

878
00:41:31,410 --> 00:41:27,530
published a model showing 1.4 million

879
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:31,420
deaths in just two African countries I

880
00:41:34,930 --> 00:41:34,070
opposed it at the time I said this is

881
00:41:38,130 --> 00:41:34,940
asinine

882
00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:38,140
there is no basis for this whatsoever

883
00:41:44,050 --> 00:41:40,520
total number of deaths in those two

884
00:41:48,820 --> 00:41:44,060
countries 800 which means they were

885
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:48,830
about 1.4 million shy of 1.4 million but

886
00:41:55,720 --> 00:41:51,530
nobody was ever called to task for that

887
00:41:58,330 --> 00:41:55,730
so they saw that they could get away

888
00:42:00,310 --> 00:41:58,340
with it they saw how they how they could

889
00:42:03,100 --> 00:42:00,320
get away with it I think they've been

890
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:03,110
building up to this ever since really

891
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:06,470
since 1987 that's part of it they've

892
00:42:15,610 --> 00:42:11,720
been learning another aspect is social

893
00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:15,620
media now social media you know can give

894
00:42:22,030 --> 00:42:19,070
it's a tool it can be for good or it can

895
00:42:24,850 --> 00:42:22,040
be for bad but if you look at what's

896
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:24,860
happened with social media if you look

897
00:42:38,830 --> 00:42:31,490
at Facebook if you look at I'm tempted

898
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:38,840
to st. tinder tweet Twitter if you look

899
00:42:45,100 --> 00:42:41,570
at Twitter if you look at that Facebook

900
00:42:47,650 --> 00:42:45,110
they are both censoring if you don't say

901
00:42:51,310 --> 00:42:47,660
the right things about covet you will be

902
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:51,320
blocked I had I've had a couple of

903
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:53,570
bizarre things blocked you can't make

904
00:42:57,250 --> 00:42:54,530
these things up

905
00:43:01,260 --> 00:42:57,260
I jokingly posted a picture of my cat

906
00:43:04,570 --> 00:43:01,270
and said Mike ours was imposing

907
00:43:08,050 --> 00:43:04,580
self-quarantine they pulled my cat's

908
00:43:12,610 --> 00:43:08,060
photo down you can't make these things

909
00:43:15,240 --> 00:43:12,620
up so when social media is censoring the

910
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:15,250
so-called wrong things about kovat and

911
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:18,290
allowing the so-called right things then

912
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:20,690
social media is definitely contributing

913
00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:22,970
to this as well and I presume you say

914
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:24,890
the 24-hour news cycle I mean that's

915
00:43:29,620 --> 00:43:27,290
only gotten bigger and bigger these days

916
00:43:31,810 --> 00:43:29,630
and you have most of them lined up on

917
00:43:35,620 --> 00:43:31,820
the side of this being a big deal and

918
00:43:38,380 --> 00:43:35,630
you've got a natural financial incentive

919
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:38,390
to do that I mean we all know the media

920
00:43:43,780 --> 00:43:41,210
always over blows an earthquake a flood

921
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:43,790
a fire if you're the one living there

922
00:43:46,780 --> 00:43:45,290
you're all of your friends from across

923
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:46,790
the country are always calling it oh my

924
00:43:51,190 --> 00:43:49,040
god it looks so horrible out there it's

925
00:43:53,290 --> 00:43:51,200
like it's actually not that bad so

926
00:43:55,530 --> 00:43:53,300
they've got a natural inclination of

927
00:43:58,630 --> 00:43:55,540
always overblown these type of things

928
00:44:03,070 --> 00:43:58,640
yeah there was a volcano erupted a

929
00:44:05,590 --> 00:44:03,080
couple of months ago I don't know 3 3 3

930
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:05,600
400 miles away from here people were

931
00:44:12,250 --> 00:44:09,740
worried about right that's the way it

932
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:12,260
goes but you're right even you know SARS

933
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:17,870
was was 2002-2003 seemingly not so long

934
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:20,690
ago but I think the only 24-hour network

935
00:44:26,110 --> 00:44:23,450
at that time was with CNN

936
00:44:29,109 --> 00:44:26,120
maybe ESPN as well but that's not

937
00:44:31,450 --> 00:44:29,119
exactly ESPN's ambit

938
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:31,460
now I mean quite seriously when this

939
00:44:35,910 --> 00:44:33,890
first broke out I was referring to CNN

940
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:35,920
as the corona News Network

941
00:44:43,390 --> 00:44:39,410
everything I'm CNN weather was broadcast

942
00:44:46,859 --> 00:44:43,400
or whether it was CNN print was

943
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:46,869
coronavirus say somehow weren't

944
00:44:52,029 --> 00:44:50,089
coronavirus into into everything if it

945
00:44:54,190 --> 00:44:52,039
was somebody's you know hundredth

946
00:44:55,930 --> 00:44:54,200
birthday and they worked in WoW is a

947
00:44:58,420 --> 00:44:55,940
hundred years old and he's not dead of

948
00:45:00,430 --> 00:44:58,430
coronavirus they were coronavirus in

949
00:45:04,329 --> 00:45:00,440
that and then quite simply everything

950
00:45:09,549 --> 00:45:04,339
you've seen these memes so-called joke

951
00:45:13,749 --> 00:45:09,559
memes let's say like man man eaten by

952
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:13,759
shark dies of coronavirus okay so let's

953
00:45:20,349 --> 00:45:16,970
talk about what is motivating the foul

954
00:45:22,539 --> 00:45:20,359
cheese of the world is their heart in

955
00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:22,549
the right place they're just being

956
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:25,369
overly cautious in trying to protect

957
00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:27,529
lives or is there something corrupt or

958
00:45:33,999 --> 00:45:30,400
sinister about their motives

959
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:34,009
well again both pouchy and red field to

960
00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,650
be quite specific rose to their very

961
00:45:41,650 --> 00:45:39,680
high positions through saying false

962
00:45:43,479 --> 00:45:41,660
things but their heart was in the right

963
00:45:45,549 --> 00:45:43,489
place they were trying to save lives and

964
00:45:47,710 --> 00:45:45,559
and they and let's just say that they

965
00:45:50,380 --> 00:45:47,720
lied but in their view they were lying

966
00:45:52,809 --> 00:45:50,390
to save lives so that you shouldn't ever

967
00:45:54,970 --> 00:45:52,819
lie right but they thought that they had

968
00:45:57,720 --> 00:45:54,980
a proper motive to help protect lives to

969
00:46:01,809 --> 00:45:57,730
get everybody invested in trying to to

970
00:46:03,940 --> 00:46:01,819
find a cure for AIDS so what about now

971
00:46:05,829 --> 00:46:03,950
is it could we say the same thing that

972
00:46:10,329 --> 00:46:05,839
they're lying but they're doing it to

973
00:46:15,549 --> 00:46:10,339
protect lives I tend to think that pouch

974
00:46:20,950 --> 00:46:15,559
is an extremely intelligent man whereas

975
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:20,960
red field is basically stupid which is

976
00:46:27,999 --> 00:46:24,410
you know so I'm drawing a contrast there

977
00:46:31,359 --> 00:46:28,009
that in a sense kind of gives red field

978
00:46:33,970 --> 00:46:31,369
more of a vibe and vouching if if red

979
00:46:36,039 --> 00:46:33,980
field is acting out of stupidity but for

980
00:46:39,190 --> 00:46:36,049
example I did a whole article on red

981
00:46:42,190 --> 00:46:39,200
fill your your people can look it up

982
00:46:43,010 --> 00:46:42,200
just put through mental and red field

983
00:46:44,870 --> 00:46:43,020
into the brows

984
00:46:47,240 --> 00:46:44,880
you're probably you know you and Cove it

985
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:47,250
and you'll call up my article and you'll

986
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:50,400
see my god how did this guy ever become

987
00:46:54,950 --> 00:46:52,170
the head of the Centers for Disease

988
00:46:57,950 --> 00:46:54,960
Control and Prevention when he says so

989
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:57,960
many stupid things but among the stupid

990
00:47:04,550 --> 00:47:00,660
things he said about Coleman was that

991
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:04,560
this is the worst outbreak of disease in

992
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:08,400
over a century okay wait a second this

993
00:47:22,430 --> 00:47:17,750
101 years ago it was called the Spanish

994
00:47:27,830 --> 00:47:22,440
flu maybe you've heard of it the worst

995
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:27,840
epidemic in modern times millions and

996
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:32,010
millions of people died worldwide the

997
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:34,770
u.s. death toll was utterly fantastic

998
00:47:40,870 --> 00:47:38,490
utterly incomparable to anything we've

999
00:47:44,740 --> 00:47:40,880
seen probably since the black deaths

1000
00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:44,750
which was what eight hundred years ago

1001
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:48,030
this what wet films never heard of the

1002
00:47:53,690 --> 00:47:51,330
Spanish flu honestly and the answer may

1003
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:53,700
be yes the head of the Centers for

1004
00:47:59,420 --> 00:47:56,400
Disease Control has never heard of the

1005
00:48:02,810 --> 00:47:59,430
Spanish flu I can't answer that for you

1006
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,820
I did I called the CDC non-it politely

1007
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:04,740
put in the question knowing they would

1008
00:48:10,910 --> 00:48:08,010
never give back they didn't get back I

1009
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:10,920
think he's just plain stupid but [\h__\h]

1010
00:48:17,390 --> 00:48:14,640
just a very smart guy so I you know when

1011
00:48:20,810 --> 00:48:17,400
you asked me to when it comes to lying

1012
00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:20,820
you're going into not whether they're

1013
00:48:25,790 --> 00:48:22,500
telling the truth or not you're going

1014
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:25,800
into mental states and that makes it

1015
00:48:30,890 --> 00:48:28,530
very tough for me to call anybody a liar

1016
00:48:33,260 --> 00:48:30,900
very easy for me to say they're saying

1017
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:33,270
false things very tough for me to say

1018
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:36,930
they're lying well or you know

1019
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:39,090
exaggerating or erring on the side of

1020
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:43,380
extreme caution but bottom line it

1021
00:48:47,030 --> 00:48:45,450
sounds like you're not ascribing look

1022
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:47,040
there's lots of conspiracy theories out

1023
00:48:51,500 --> 00:48:49,770
there lots of people saying oh foul

1024
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:51,510
she's got some financial interest in

1025
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:52,770
this that he's going to make a ton of

1026
00:48:56,420 --> 00:48:54,510
money if there's a vaccine and this that

1027
00:48:59,060 --> 00:48:56,430
and the other you're not seeing

1028
00:49:01,490 --> 00:48:59,070
any of that type of conspiracy here your

1029
00:49:03,380 --> 00:49:01,500
de seeing perhaps a guy who's spent his

1030
00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:03,390
whole life on infectious diseases and

1031
00:49:10,010 --> 00:49:06,900
this is his moment in the Sun and he's

1032
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:10,020
quite excited about it yeah there's a

1033
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:12,200
term I coined during the AIDS epidemic

1034
00:49:19,100 --> 00:49:14,970
where I said I don't see so much a

1035
00:49:20,450 --> 00:49:19,110
conspiracy as a meeting of the minds now

1036
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:20,460
mind you there were there was a

1037
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:23,850
conspiracy drain in fairness they really

1038
00:49:29,690 --> 00:49:26,250
did get together in smoke-filled rooms

1039
00:49:32,870 --> 00:49:29,700
as the expression goes and they really

1040
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:32,880
did decide between themselves that we

1041
00:49:38,720 --> 00:49:36,000
have to grossly exaggerated the impact

1042
00:49:41,210 --> 00:49:38,730
of this epidemic and the and how

1043
00:49:43,850 --> 00:49:41,220
widespread it will be or else it's not

1044
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:43,860
going to get the kind of funding and the

1045
00:49:49,010 --> 00:49:45,810
kind of attention it deserves there

1046
00:49:51,020 --> 00:49:49,020
literally was an AIDS conspiracy but

1047
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:51,030
there was also simply a meeting of the

1048
00:49:58,490 --> 00:49:54,900
minds where without conspiring they

1049
00:50:01,340 --> 00:49:58,500
simply decided individually or as groups

1050
00:50:03,470 --> 00:50:01,350
look we got to do this we've just got to

1051
00:50:06,230 --> 00:50:03,480
do this for AIDS and I think you're

1052
00:50:17,470 --> 00:50:06,240
seeing this again that's for example the

1053
00:50:21,470 --> 00:50:17,480
CDC - okay here's the facts to have

1054
00:50:24,770 --> 00:50:21,480
kovin 19 on your death certificate you

1055
00:50:29,020 --> 00:50:24,780
don't need to die of Kovan 19 it's right

1056
00:50:33,620 --> 00:50:29,030
in the CDC's promulgation the CDC says

1057
00:50:36,380 --> 00:50:33,630
if it appears basically the patient may

1058
00:50:38,660 --> 00:50:36,390
have died of kovat you can put that on

1059
00:50:42,470 --> 00:50:38,670
the on the death certificate you don't

1060
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:42,480
need a test well what's in the news

1061
00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:45,330
today is it was the flu in the news is

1062
00:50:51,410 --> 00:50:48,420
heart disease in the news is asthma in

1063
00:50:54,710 --> 00:50:51,420
the news no what's in the news is kovin

1064
00:50:59,870 --> 00:50:54,720
19 and you can't really just look at a

1065
00:51:03,740 --> 00:50:59,880
corpse and go Kovan 19 verses non kovin

1066
00:51:05,240 --> 00:51:03,750
19 even if that corpse was tested you

1067
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:05,250
still can't do that

1068
00:51:10,240 --> 00:51:06,960
in other words you can say this person

1069
00:51:13,570 --> 00:51:10,250
had kovin 19 but the person

1070
00:51:15,700 --> 00:51:13,580
had asthma heart disease diabetes and

1071
00:51:18,970 --> 00:51:15,710
three other pre-existing conditions and

1072
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:18,980
you can't automatically say which one of

1073
00:51:25,150 --> 00:51:22,010
those it was but since Kovan 19 is the

1074
00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:25,160
in the news what are you more likely to

1075
00:51:33,940 --> 00:51:30,140
put on that deficit right over 19 but it

1076
00:51:37,290 --> 00:51:33,950
gets worse than that this isn't a story

1077
00:51:41,410 --> 00:51:37,300
I have coming out tomorrow hopefully in

1078
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:41,420
Colorado a man was found dead in the

1079
00:51:47,010 --> 00:51:44,930
park with double the amount of alcohol

1080
00:51:51,310 --> 00:51:47,020
and the system needed to kill him

1081
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:51,320
the coroner dutifully wrote on his death

1082
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:54,250
certificate died of alcohol poisoning

1083
00:52:00,400 --> 00:51:56,930
the State Department of Health and

1084
00:52:03,790 --> 00:52:00,410
Environment for its official statistics

1085
00:52:07,570 --> 00:52:03,800
changes it to go with 19 is is it true

1086
00:52:09,310 --> 00:52:07,580
the SHAC them there's an internet rumor

1087
00:52:10,780 --> 00:52:09,320
going around I call it a rumor because I

1088
00:52:13,690 --> 00:52:10,790
haven't tracked it down myself maybe

1089
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:13,700
it's more than a river but that Medicare

1090
00:52:18,610 --> 00:52:16,970
pays X amount of dollars if it's a Cova

1091
00:52:20,530 --> 00:52:18,620
death have you run that down and seeing

1092
00:52:23,020 --> 00:52:20,540
if that's true or not there's a run it

1093
00:52:26,070 --> 00:52:23,030
down it's half rumor and is half true

1094
00:52:28,660 --> 00:52:26,080
the half rumor is that you get a bonus

1095
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:28,670
if the person is put on a ventilator

1096
00:52:35,140 --> 00:52:32,210
that's not true the truth is that under

1097
00:52:40,450 --> 00:52:35,150
the cares Act passed in March of this

1098
00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:40,460
year specifically for kovin 19 under the

1099
00:52:47,740 --> 00:52:45,380
Medicare system if you put Kovac 19 down

1100
00:52:51,970 --> 00:52:47,750
on that death certificate as opposed to

1101
00:52:56,460 --> 00:52:51,980
anything else you will get a 20% bonus

1102
00:53:03,070 --> 00:52:56,470
from Medicare that's a fact

1103
00:53:05,410 --> 00:53:03,080
well you know yeah yep so so okay you're

1104
00:53:07,630 --> 00:53:05,420
already you know you're inundated with

1105
00:53:12,340 --> 00:53:07,640
news about kovin I think overnight think

1106
00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:12,350
over 19 you got a corpse and you're not

1107
00:53:17,740 --> 00:53:13,730
entirely sure

1108
00:53:21,730 --> 00:53:17,750
was it asthma was it heart disease was

1109
00:53:23,790 --> 00:53:21,740
it Cove in 19 well Medicare's gonna give

1110
00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:23,800
you a 20% bonus

1111
00:53:29,010 --> 00:53:26,950
if you just happen to put copan 19 on

1112
00:53:31,490 --> 00:53:29,020
the first line of that birth death

1113
00:53:34,140 --> 00:53:31,500
certificate instead of something else

1114
00:53:37,290 --> 00:53:34,150
isn't maybe that's gonna push you in the

1115
00:53:39,210 --> 00:53:37,300
direction of copan 19 yeah thanks yeah

1116
00:53:42,330 --> 00:53:39,220
clearly well and you know going back to

1117
00:53:44,670 --> 00:53:42,340
the cdc and and them as far as how you

1118
00:53:47,580 --> 00:53:44,680
categorize a Cova death and so on and

1119
00:53:49,710 --> 00:53:47,590
them overestimating how big this thing's

1120
00:53:51,720 --> 00:53:49,720
the best with you some of that doesn't

1121
00:53:53,310 --> 00:53:51,730
bother me so much so much because i just

1122
00:53:55,170 --> 00:53:53,320
know they're always gonna be extra

1123
00:53:56,910 --> 00:53:55,180
cautious doctors give me extra cautious

1124
00:53:59,400 --> 00:53:56,920
extra warning you if you go to your own

1125
00:53:59,850 --> 00:53:59,410
doctor don't drink don't smoke don't eat

1126
00:54:01,920 --> 00:53:59,860
red meat

1127
00:54:04,950 --> 00:54:01,930
you know nobody listens to their doctor

1128
00:54:07,590 --> 00:54:04,960
so I almost blame the politicians more

1129
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:07,600
for just a hundred percent buying into

1130
00:54:11,100 --> 00:54:09,760
an only seeing what they're saying

1131
00:54:12,570 --> 00:54:11,110
handing it over to something like found

1132
00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:12,580
you to decide when we're gonna be

1133
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:15,640
reopening as opposed to looking and say

1134
00:54:19,410 --> 00:54:17,650
okay thank you very much medical

1135
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:19,420
community we hear what you're saying as

1136
00:54:23,340 --> 00:54:21,490
far as the potential risks but we're

1137
00:54:26,540 --> 00:54:23,350
also going to listen to economists and

1138
00:54:28,350 --> 00:54:26,550
we're gonna listen to a

1139
00:54:29,910 --> 00:54:28,360
constitutionalist about what our

1140
00:54:31,170 --> 00:54:29,920
Constitution allows and so on and then

1141
00:54:34,170 --> 00:54:31,180
we're gonna make a decision based on

1142
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:34,180
that as opposed to simply relying on

1143
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:36,850
these medical professionals that we know

1144
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:39,570
always exaggerate this kind of stuff

1145
00:54:42,510 --> 00:54:41,290
right you know what they're gonna say

1146
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:42,520
ahead of time

1147
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:45,570
don't get me wrong there have been

1148
00:54:49,350 --> 00:54:47,170
epidemiologists who have been very

1149
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:49,360
honest about this although almost all of

1150
00:54:58,140 --> 00:54:52,920
them are in Europe for some reason and

1151
00:55:00,510 --> 00:54:58,150
but nobody voted last I checked for

1152
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:00,520
Robert Redfield and nobody voted for

1153
00:55:04,620 --> 00:55:02,650
Anthony pouchy or for these local health

1154
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:04,630
officials that we have in various states

1155
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:07,570
and cities right the Michael Ulster

1156
00:55:13,950 --> 00:55:11,110
Holmes from Minnesota and so on guys who

1157
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:13,960
have been wrong for for every epidemic

1158
00:55:18,030 --> 00:55:16,090
since you know since I was born

1159
00:55:19,680 --> 00:55:18,040
Barbara Farrar here in LA County I've

1160
00:55:22,380 --> 00:55:19,690
been writing about her and sharing her

1161
00:55:24,540 --> 00:55:22,390
bio and and you know what her education

1162
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:24,550
is and it's all it's all about health

1163
00:55:30,690 --> 00:55:28,000
care inequality and outcome equities and

1164
00:55:34,230 --> 00:55:30,700
this and that all big-time progressive

1165
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:34,240
agendas yeah I'll never forget that when

1166
00:55:39,930 --> 00:55:37,359
my aides my aides book was was actually

1167
00:55:42,599 --> 00:55:39,940
extremely well reviewed it was literally

1168
00:55:44,910 --> 00:55:42,609
banned don't get me wrong a lot of

1169
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:44,920
stores and even chains refused to carry

1170
00:55:49,109 --> 00:55:47,529
it but it got great reviews from JAMA

1171
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:49,119
and the New England Journal of Medicine

1172
00:55:58,319 --> 00:55:52,450
and this and that but it did yet one

1173
00:56:03,059 --> 00:55:58,329
particularly bad review by a a communist

1174
00:56:06,210 --> 00:56:03,069
I mean an avowed communist um communists

1175
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:06,220
actually play a very important role in

1176
00:56:10,829 --> 00:56:07,450
public health

1177
00:56:12,839 --> 00:56:10,839
the current head of the w-h-o is a

1178
00:56:17,999 --> 00:56:12,849
member of the Communist Party that's not

1179
00:56:21,660 --> 00:56:18,009
a joke the last head of the w-h-o was

1180
00:56:23,180 --> 00:56:21,670
Chinese and presumably a member of the

1181
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:23,190
Communist Party

1182
00:56:28,979 --> 00:56:26,650
communists literally gravitate towards

1183
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:28,989
public health in the same way that

1184
00:56:34,079 --> 00:56:32,170
liberals gravitate towards journalism

1185
00:56:38,309 --> 00:56:34,089
it's just you know it's one of those

1186
00:56:40,170 --> 00:56:38,319
things so we are I mean literally I

1187
00:56:43,890 --> 00:56:40,180
don't want to be you know sound like a

1188
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:43,900
read Bader or anything but literally we

1189
00:56:49,140 --> 00:56:46,690
are you know when we give these people a

1190
00:56:53,009 --> 00:56:49,150
lot of power we're giving power to

1191
00:56:55,620 --> 00:56:53,019
people who believe in in utopianism who

1192
00:56:58,259 --> 00:56:55,630
believe in the leveling out of incomes

1193
00:56:59,789 --> 00:56:58,269
who believes the rich countries who

1194
00:57:02,069 --> 00:56:59,799
believe that bringing down the rich

1195
00:57:05,539 --> 00:57:02,079
countries brings up the poor countries

1196
00:57:08,940 --> 00:57:05,549
that's what we're dealing with and our

1197
00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:08,950
elected officials should be the barrier

1198
00:57:14,249 --> 00:57:11,980
between us and them and they're they're

1199
00:57:16,229 --> 00:57:14,259
not doing their job they're not doing it

1200
00:57:19,229 --> 00:57:16,239
in Los Angeles in the state of

1201
00:57:23,339 --> 00:57:19,239
California in Illinois in the city of

1202
00:57:27,210 --> 00:57:23,349
Chicago in in the city of New York they

1203
00:57:29,729 --> 00:57:27,220
are making very bad decisions very very

1204
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,739
well-put it's getting very late there so

1205
00:57:35,880 --> 00:57:31,859
I promise this is the last question

1206
00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:35,890
we've been kind of assuming that Wuhan

1207
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:39,130
was way worse than the Chinese have been

1208
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:41,410
disclosing they're hiding something

1209
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:44,049
there's piles of dead bodies there's a

1210
00:57:49,349 --> 00:57:46,450
there being incinerated and you know

1211
00:57:50,700 --> 00:57:49,359
there's spy satellite photos of this but

1212
00:57:52,650 --> 00:57:50,710
we haven't seen it and so

1213
00:57:56,490 --> 00:57:52,660
and so forth but I'm starting to think

1214
00:57:57,780 --> 00:57:56,500
the more I see this and see 7% of Swedes

1215
00:57:59,280 --> 00:57:57,790
have it despite the fact that they

1216
00:58:01,200 --> 00:57:59,290
didn't lock down so it hasn't been near

1217
00:58:03,960 --> 00:58:01,210
as contagious as we thought hasn't been

1218
00:58:07,140 --> 00:58:03,970
near as deadly as we thought that maybe

1219
00:58:09,630 --> 00:58:07,150
China actually didn't accurately report

1220
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:09,640
the wuhan numbers we're not gonna find

1221
00:58:17,010 --> 00:58:12,730
out that they were grossly understated

1222
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:17,020
what are your thoughts on that it's

1223
00:58:22,050 --> 00:58:19,810
gonna take a while before the truth

1224
00:58:24,839 --> 00:58:22,060
actually trickles out of China they're

1225
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:24,849
there in terms of news they're locked

1226
00:58:30,780 --> 00:58:28,720
down pretty tight the word coming out of

1227
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:30,790
North Korea is that they're having an

1228
00:58:36,210 --> 00:58:33,520
absolute disaster as one would expect

1229
00:58:38,910 --> 00:58:36,220
from North Korea China is really hard to

1230
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:38,920
say but yeah i'm i'm guessing towards

1231
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:42,910
your position that probably they have

1232
00:58:50,220 --> 00:58:46,690
such power to to control their people

1233
00:58:52,339 --> 00:58:50,230
mind you the photos you may have seen of

1234
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:52,349
people being welded inside their houses

1235
00:58:59,609 --> 00:58:56,650
fake news just like that did you see the

1236
00:59:02,640 --> 00:58:59,619
picture of the rows and rows of coffins

1237
00:59:05,880 --> 00:59:02,650
in italy oh my gosh that was so scary

1238
00:59:08,790 --> 00:59:05,890
fake news so much of these things are

1239
00:59:11,099 --> 00:59:08,800
fake news so yeah I'm guessing the

1240
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:11,109
probably China was not nearly as hard

1241
00:59:20,339 --> 00:59:14,890
yet as a lot of people are saying but

1242
00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:20,349
with China who knows you know Michael's

1243
00:59:27,510 --> 00:59:24,070
got a quick question yeah Michael just

1244
00:59:29,070 --> 00:59:27,520
when European what was why is there such

1245
00:59:34,020 --> 00:59:29,080
pushback within the US on the

1246
00:59:41,150 --> 00:59:34,030
hydroxychloroquine the studies I've seen

1247
00:59:43,980 --> 00:59:41,160
are not particularly supportive of that

1248
00:59:46,680 --> 00:59:43,990
some studies say yes but most of the

1249
00:59:48,630 --> 00:59:46,690
studies say that that it isn't

1250
00:59:49,650 --> 00:59:48,640
particularly effective or isn't

1251
00:59:53,310 --> 00:59:49,660
effective at all

1252
00:59:55,460 --> 00:59:53,320
all that said another factor going on

1253
01:00:00,180 --> 00:59:55,470
here which I kind of forgot to mention

1254
01:00:02,580 --> 01:00:00,190
was Donald J Trump the media hate Trump

1255
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:02,590
with a passion

1256
01:00:08,460 --> 01:00:05,530
as I already pointed out the media our

1257
01:00:10,020 --> 01:00:08,470
left-wing I personally am NOT a trump

1258
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:10,030
supporter I didn't vote for him

1259
01:00:16,050 --> 01:00:11,650
I don't intend to vote for him in

1260
01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:16,060
November um that said I think a lot of

1261
01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:20,140
what's going on is is to go after Trump

1262
01:00:25,470 --> 01:00:24,190
I mean these people literally they even

1263
01:00:27,540 --> 01:00:25,480
thought through it or they haven't

1264
01:00:31,010 --> 01:00:27,550
really thought through it I think a lot

1265
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:31,020
of people want to destroy the economy

1266
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:34,810
because it will be very difficult for

1267
01:00:41,610 --> 01:00:39,010
Trump to be reelected if you know if we

1268
01:00:43,410 --> 01:00:41,620
have a destroyed economy basically in

1269
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:43,420
November well here's a lesson there's a

1270
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:44,770
less sinister way of looking at it

1271
01:00:49,110 --> 01:00:46,330
Michael but but but agreeing with you

1272
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:49,120
that they are invested in the narrative

1273
01:00:54,990 --> 01:00:52,930
that Trump did not do enough to stop

1274
01:00:56,490 --> 01:00:55,000
this this is Trump's fault I'm hearing

1275
01:00:59,400 --> 01:00:56,500
this again and again they want to blame

1276
01:01:01,800 --> 01:00:59,410
Trump for this well in order for that to

1277
01:01:04,110 --> 01:01:01,810
work this thing had to have been a big

1278
01:01:06,930 --> 01:01:04,120
deal if this thing's not a big deal then

1279
01:01:08,730 --> 01:01:06,940
Trump did an okay job but if this

1280
01:01:11,310 --> 01:01:08,740
thing's a big deal and Trump failed to

1281
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:11,320
stop it then you've got a problem so

1282
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,410
they are invested in the narrative that

1283
01:01:17,220 --> 01:01:15,760
Trump failed to stop this thing failed

1284
01:01:19,050 --> 01:01:17,230
to take the proper actions and this

1285
01:01:20,580 --> 01:01:19,060
thing is a really big deal and that's

1286
01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:20,590
why they're hanging on to the idea that

1287
01:01:24,210 --> 01:01:22,090
this is a really big deal so that they

1288
01:01:25,290 --> 01:01:24,220
can hang Trump in November saying that

1289
01:01:27,810 --> 01:01:25,300
because everybody saying this is a

1290
01:01:30,270 --> 01:01:27,820
referendum November's a referendum on

1291
01:01:32,460 --> 01:01:30,280
how Trump handled the coronavirus so

1292
01:01:35,070 --> 01:01:32,470
they need to subscribe to the idea that

1293
01:01:37,590 --> 01:01:35,080
this thing's a really big deal and he

1294
01:01:40,500 --> 01:01:37,600
failed to take proper action right such

1295
01:01:42,540 --> 01:01:40,510
things as if we had only locked down a

1296
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:42,550
week or two earlier we would have saved

1297
01:01:45,870 --> 01:01:45,490
X number of lives okay here's one for

1298
01:01:50,250 --> 01:01:45,880
you

1299
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:50,260
the CBC was five weeks late in coming

1300
01:01:56,460 --> 01:01:53,650
out with a coronavirus test they could

1301
01:01:58,800 --> 01:01:56,470
have gotten one essentially free of

1302
01:02:03,510 --> 01:01:58,810
charge I mean the formula free of charge

1303
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,520
from the w-h-o but the CDC decided now

1304
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:06,400
now we're gonna make our round and then

1305
01:02:12,780 --> 01:02:08,890
they blew it they contaminated their

1306
01:02:16,020 --> 01:02:12,790
their early coronavirus tests so we were

1307
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:16,030
five weeks late in hand

1308
01:02:20,820 --> 01:02:18,250
being able to test people that had

1309
01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:20,830
absolutely nothing to do with Donald J

1310
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:24,090
Trump it had everything to do with home

1311
01:02:30,090 --> 01:02:27,970
Robert Redfield and nobody is held

1312
01:02:33,690 --> 01:02:30,100
Redfield's feet to the fire on that

1313
01:02:35,730 --> 01:02:33,700
except your your current yes and real

1314
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:35,740
quick why did not why did he reject the

1315
01:02:42,750 --> 01:02:39,250
test from the whu-oh Ashley it's not

1316
01:02:45,660 --> 01:02:42,760
that unusual for the for CDC to say yeah

1317
01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:45,670
we think we can do a better job I think

1318
01:02:52,260 --> 01:02:49,480
in retrospect everybody at the CDC

1319
01:02:54,420 --> 01:02:52,270
except for Redfield would tell you yeah

1320
01:02:56,850 --> 01:02:54,430
we kind of blew it we should have gone

1321
01:02:59,750 --> 01:02:56,860
with it WH and we know that that order

1322
01:03:03,570 --> 01:02:59,760
did not come from the White House

1323
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:03,580
there's no nobody's looked into that all

1324
01:03:10,140 --> 01:03:05,610
you can read one article after another

1325
01:03:13,710 --> 01:03:10,150
saying the CDC blew it but nobody ever

1326
01:03:16,410 --> 01:03:13,720
says that the Chief of CDC blew it

1327
01:03:18,750 --> 01:03:16,420
nobody ever brings up the name of red

1328
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:18,760
pill but I could you see the left really

1329
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,990
trying to hang Trump of that because

1330
01:03:22,890 --> 01:03:21,520
that would be a very trumpian thing to

1331
01:03:24,390 --> 01:03:22,900
do and I think I I think I've heard

1332
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:24,400
people allude to the fact that or

1333
01:03:30,570 --> 01:03:28,240
accused Trump of rejecting tests from

1334
01:03:32,430 --> 01:03:30,580
the World Health Organization because it

1335
01:03:35,130 --> 01:03:32,440
is what it is in America first and we're

1336
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:35,140
gonna make things at America now Trump

1337
01:03:38,940 --> 01:03:36,850
had absolutely nothing to do with that

1338
01:03:41,220 --> 01:03:38,950
and of course he had absolutely nothing

1339
01:03:43,650 --> 01:03:41,230
to do with it how is how is the

1340
01:03:47,070 --> 01:03:43,660
president supposed to make a decision

1341
01:03:51,030 --> 01:03:47,080
like that that is a decision made by the

1342
01:03:54,900 --> 01:03:51,040
head of the CDC in consultation with the

1343
01:03:57,930 --> 01:03:54,910
people below him so red field of course

1344
01:03:59,910 --> 01:03:57,940
it is red fields fault let's add to this

1345
01:04:02,880 --> 01:03:59,920
that red field spent much of his career

1346
01:04:05,700 --> 01:04:02,890
in the army he was a colonel he was in

1347
01:04:08,580 --> 01:04:05,710
the army just like I was I was a noncom

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he was a calm everything that anybody

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did and under me when I was a sergeant I

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had to accept as my responsibility if

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they got drunk if they beat their wives

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if they showed up late for formation as

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the sergeant I was responsible Redfield

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should know that as a colonel he should

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be held to military standards everything

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goes wrong at the CDC whether it's a a

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broken coffee maker anything like that

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basically is Redfield's fault and nobody

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has attributed this to Robert Redfield

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and I think the reason is because he

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said all the right things during the

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AIDS epidemic yeah well I I told my

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progressive Democrat friends that hey if

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you want to attack Trump attack him for

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the fact that he's got

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ouchy and redfield in place those are

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his guys attacking actually I am on

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record criticizing Trump in the New York